YOUR COMMENTS

Doug, I cannot believe you really think 16,000 jobs were created in NH by Obama and his stimulus. In fact, I find it insane that you believe any of the statistics you spouted. You really need to put something else in the pipe and quite believing what you are hearing. The only jobs created were in the state government. All that pavement you see being put down has gotten existing paving companies richer. I'm sure they hired a few laborers but do you really believe they are going to hire Joe Smo to run one of their paving machines or one of the rollers. Wake up and smell the coffee.
- John D., Danbury

No, no, no, can't, shouldn't, oughtn't, fear, fear, degradation, evil, Democrats, liberals, ebole, salmonella, decay and I forgot, somebody actually trying to do something about our economy. When you whiners start producing some other ideas that don't involve cutting your taxes and raising everyone else's perhaps we'll tune in again. Conservative carping, whining, squealing, pleading is unAmerican to say nothing of unattractive. I would recommend a union job. They tend to pay more, have benefits and accomplish something.
- Will, Deerfield

Dear LJC,
If Conservatism is indeed over, what do you think will replace it. International Progressivism? A One World Order? I seriously doubt if many of my fellow NH citizens really understand what conservatism is. It may be that Capitalism, and founding pricipals will be ignored and stamped out. What then? What will take it's place? Are we to become like the socialist democracies of Europe? Take the time to look at the rates of suicide in these utopian counties and then ask yourself why.
- Jim_NH, Madbury

Ron, you made a factually incorrect statement, apparently in an effort to diminish the importance of Owens' election. I corrected it. Peyser's election proves nothing. The fact that others made incorrect statements is irrelevant. Don't restate my comment to suit your purpose.

The balance of my comments stand. You may not like it, but it's pretty clear on its face: I don't care how you're registered, you're simply spinning the facts to justify supporting a rigid ideology the the American people won't buy. Conservatism in the old fashioned sense, maybe, although it's not my cup of tea- know-nothing rage and telling people how to live their lives, forget it.
- zoot, Manchester

R. in Raymond, I haven't forgotten any such thing. The district lines were changed something on the order of 19 times in a little over a hundred years. How much does the census of upstate NY change every couple years?
- Ron, Manchester

Jon in Hooksett, the amount the Feds are taking from your check may have gone down, but the tax tables are still the same. You will just get less back in April or pay more.

But you keep up that positive attitude! Keep doing the public school math and as long as you feel good, it'll be okay.

In the meantime those of us with common sense will look for the companies actually creating jobs in the US.

Actually Herb C had it right on. Our country has been taken over by the money in special interests. All of Congress is now corrupt and drunk on the money being handed to them by large corporations.

Hang on folks, if we don't get these leeches out soon, there will be nothing left.

Poor Tom in Maine, you need to check your facts and stop listening to Nancy Pelosi. Check the redistricting of that area of NY. 23 is a relatively new congressional district and did not exist in 1855.

Nice try though.
- Melvin, Keene

Zoot, If you are going to step into the middle of a debate, you would do well do review the points from both sides.

The original lie was told by Nancy Pelosi when she said that the 23rd district had been in Republican control since the Civil war. This factually incorrect point was trumpeted further by LJC and then Tom from Dover/where ever.

Your point about the 23rd being redistricted is moot Zoot, I covered it in my earlier post. The rest of your post is unintelligible drivel as it is factually incorrect.

P.S. I'm not a republican nor have I ever been one. I'm an independent and I and my like minded Americans are the ones who decide elections in this country. Get used to it.
- Ron, Manchester

zoot, Ron has forgotten how the Census impacts voting districts and causes redistricting. And on that subject, so comfortable to know that Dems shot down an amendment to add the us citizen question to 2010 census. One can only imagine why!
- R, Raymond

I'm glad to see Republicans gloating because it is blinding them to the fact that their party is eating its young. When even the most conservative area of upstate NY goes blue real change is in the air. Please, please, please, please nominate Sarah Palin for president, not just in 2012 but in 2016 and 2020. We Democrats need a few years to clean up the mess caused by a generation or Reaganist greed.
- LJC, Manchester

Ron, what on earth are you talking about?

The Congressional 23rd that elected Peyser was made up of the Bronx, Yonkers and cities along the Hudson. It was a very different district from the present 23rd, which since 1993 has been composed largely of counties along the northern tier, electing GOP Congressmen by simple majorities ranging from 60.5% to 80.8%. All of the more moderate counties which elected Peyser, Stratton, et. al. - Bronx, Westchester, Fulton - had been carved out and put in other districts.

Take the trouble to check you facts, Ron. What the 23rd was like or how it voted in 1978 has nothing to do with what happened on Tuesday. It was - again - a contest in which Right wing fanatics chased out a more centrist candidate, ran a campaign as a holy war and paid the price in a GOP District. But that's OK. Keep on doing what you're doing. For the Dems, you're the gift that keeps on giving.
- zoot, Manchester

One more point: since Obama took office US debt has increased by $1.4 trillion.

The US GDP grew by about $150 billion in Q3 2009, and shrank in Q1 and Q2 2009.

That's a gain of about 10% of the increased debt, or an interest rate of 1000%.

Borrowing money on these terms indicates either extreme desperation or extreme stupidity on the part of the borrower.
- Tom, Campton

"...but I am amazed that we're back growing again...."

How could you be amazed? When you borrow $1 trillion from China and dump it into the economy, the GDP will experience a brief spike. No one has ever disputed this will happen. The issue is the damage done by the increase in debt.

Your argument is akin to taking a $10,000 cash advance on your credit card at 25% interest, putting it in the bank at 0% interest, and declaring yourself $10,000 wealthier.

It's insane.
- Tom, Campton

PS to Jon of Hooksett--If 16,000 jobs were created and 16,001 were destroyed, then the job market is not good, and Obama is still taking credit. This is what makes jobs "created or saved" unmeasurable--and something an honest man wouldn't say. Your withholding tax went down? Enough to pay $1 extra per pack of cigarettes? (Did Obama say his promise of lower taxes depended on correct behavior?)
- Spike, Brentwood NH

Both sides are going to spin the election results to their favor. It's their job. I'm not surprised. I am surpised that the MSM is almost universallly is accepting the right-wing spin as the truth.
Obama gained a seat in the House from a traditionally conservative/libertarian district. He also upgraded an existing Democratic seat from a moderate to liberal. A spin could be made that Obama has more power now in Washington. Why aren't we seeing this angle in the news?
- Simon S., Manchester, NH

Hold on, we had the largest economic downfall since the Great Depression and we're only giving this President 9 months to fix it completely while still funding two inherited wars?
Technically speaking, we are out of the recession now. However, things aren't perfect; unemployment numbers are lagging behind as they usually do. But overall, we're making progress.
How can anyone (barring devisive partisans) expect this president to do a better job? Things are turning around. It'll take some time of course for a complete recovery, but I am amazed that we're back growing again.
It's almost as if cynical detractors are artificially raising the standards so high that no one (including the President) could ever reach. When he falls short of these unreasonable expectations, he's then criticized. How can some people justify devaluing our country's progress and promise in order to promote their own party?
I guess I'll never understand party politics. I'll stick to being an independant.
- Kenneth G., Manchester, NH

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. You'll get no mea culpa from me because you are wrong.

The 23rd district in NY elected Peter A. Peyser(D) in 1978 and 1980. Granted Peyser was formerly a Republican, but that's not the issue here. Once again you spout lies and do so in a condescending manner.

The 23rd district has been redistricted many times over the years and have been repesented by Dems nearly twenty times since 1855. Several of them were elected, while many served the district thanks to the gerrymandering of NY Democrats.
- Ron, Manchester

Melvin,

The amount of federal income tax taken out of my check went down in February (while Obama was in office).

Also, 16,000 new jobs could be created and 16,001 lost. That would still mean 16,000 new jobs were created yet unemployment still increased. The fact that many companies have cut jobs doesn't mean that other companies haven't created jobs.

Anyway, Pete and Kyle are spot on.
- Jon, Hooksett

Yes, let's give this country back to the conservatives so they can finish us off as a country once and for all. I can't wait to have their morals/values shoved down my throat again, while the corp's finish stealing the rest of the money that W didn't have time to giv them. Oh well, we had a good ride.
- Ed, Manchester

PS to Bill of New Boston--The effect of Tuesday's vote on national policy can't be measured by the job descriptions but by the reaction of Congressional Democrats. RealClearPolitics headlined Harry Reid as wanting to "go slow" on Obama-care, and "Democratic leaders" tripping over themselves to avoid passing any bill at all in 2009. But 2010 is an election year, and Democrats, many of whom got elected in 2006 and 2008 by out-conservativing the Republican, are not going to commit suicide to give Obama a bill.

You guys ridiculed Sarah Palin's "Death Panels"--then you changed the bill to hide them better. You ridiculed Joe Wilson's "You Lie"--but at that point Obama changed his line and stopped padding his count of "uninsured" using illegals. That's called making a difference.
- Spike, Brentwood NH

Hi LJC,
I thought I would share some polling data on the self-identification of American adults with you, courtesy of Gallup:

Conservative 40%
Moderate 36%
Liberal 20%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx

The 2008 elections were an anomaly. We are returning to the norm now.
- Tom, Campton

Pat Spooner of Windham and Ron of Manchester, it is you two who may want to check your history about New York's District 23 before make false accusations and Fox-like lies. The last Democrat elected to a House seat from the region was Frances E. Spinner, who represented St. Lawrence County in Congress from 1855 to 1857. So, I'll be waiting for your Mea Culpas. I'm sure they're on the way.
- Tom, Dover-Foxcroft, Me.

Our country has issues we are not willing to come to grips with:

-We are unable to see beyond "red vs blue". People such as the author are focused not on individual issues, but which political party maintains overall domination. This binary mindset naturally leads to an imbalanced power structure, regardless of your favorite flavor.

-Separate but related, this is turning into a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy.

-Many of us are unable to separate government rules from our religious ideals.

It seems we have all lost our ability to judge each candidate as an individual. Also, most candidates have lost their ability to think and act as individuals.

George Washington once predicted this phenomenon as the downfall of our society.
- pete, portsmouth nh

Dave in Sandwich: Some great points if they were true. You obviously did a copy and paste from Move.org's web page.

One last thing, you mention what Obama and the Dems are fighting for. But you failed to mention a government takeover of the banking industry, car industry, energy, student loans..this list goes on.

This is not what people voted for and it is not what they will accept. THAT is what is evidenced in Tuesday's elections.
- Bob H, Manchester

Another laugher of an editorial.

If two local, governors races spell doom for the Dems and show that the tide is turning, then what do the 5 runoff elections that have been held and won 100% by Democratic candidates show? Wouldn't the races for a seat in Washington be more telling?

Virginia has a track record of voting in governors who are members of the opposite party of the sitting president, so that is no shocker. The outcome of the New Jersey race was as predictable as David Duke's loss when he ran for office.

This means nothing for 2010. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge could see that Obama did not commit to campaigning for these governors seats as he will when the mid term elections are held. In 2010 he will do what he does best, which is campaign and motivate the 18-28 year old demographic and the Dems will have positive results again.
- Hank, Manchester

Ron, tell me what the two Governors are going to do to shape national policy? Even if the Democrats already hold a majority, the two freshmen will be able to craft bills that can affect the Nation, something the governors can't do. The GOP is jumping for joy that they were able to defeat a governor (New Jersey) with a 35% approval rate. Jersey voters have been ready to dump him long before Obama was elected, this is hardly a GOP tidal wave victory. I know it's hard to make it in this world with fewer fascists in power, but make the most of it, eh?
- Bill, New Boston

As I have said before, give the independent voters someone to vote for and they will.

Clearly in NH, other than Ayotte, there are no republicans worthy of an independent vote.
- Mary Mags, Bedford

Everyone should read Herb C comments about the illusion of choice in this country. It is spot on.

The red blue cheerleaders that continue to believe there is a difference between the Republicrats and Demopublicans are just clueless.
- Kyle, Bedford

Bill in New Boston. The Democrats already had an overwhelming majority in the house of representatives. Two more votes does nothing for them.

New Jersey and Virginia electing Republican Governors is very telling because they have been Democrat states for a looong time. We wont know for sure until next November, but it appears that the "bloom is off the rose" of our 3rd socialist president.
- Ron, Manchester

Democrats added to their majority in the House. Republicans got two new governors. Which is the more important win on a national scale? Spin is coming down hard and fast from both sides, as one could predict, I'm sure the Democrats are far happier than their wins than the Republicans are with theirs, no matter what is being said. Two GOP governors aren't going to do much to change national policy, the two new Democratic congressmen will.
- Bill, New Boston

Voters said "they were disatisfied with the economy and the way it's been handled"?

There is plenty of blame to go around where the economy is concerned. I know Obama has been in power for a year, but the groundwork for this economy was laid over many years by both sides.

Republicans are in fact still relying on a modern version of the 'southern strategy' almost exclusively - demonize the other, hammer Dems on liberal 'lifestyle' issues, play on the fears of middle class whites. But to compete in the new political landscape, Republicans will have a chance again only when they face up to and correct some fundamental hypocrisies:

1) Being for small government and less spending, while increasing the size of government and rate of spending whenever they get into power.

2) Being for individual freedom and liberty, while maintaining a litmus test for Republican candidates to ensure that they are willing to infringe upon a woman's liberty first and foremost.

3) Being for individual liberty, then promoting the idea that it's okay to invade sovereign nations without invitation.

4) Being hell-bent on the terrors of socialism, but enacting social programs like 'Medicare part 'B and 'No Child Left Behind' while throwing safety nets to AIG, Fannie and Freddie, and all the other 'too big too fails' out there. Turns out, sometimes big government is a good thing.

You may not agree with the Democratic agenda, but at least they fight for what they say they are going to fight for. In Obama's case, that's health care, energy policy, and education. Sound familiar?
- Dave, Sandwich

While there's a lot of back and forth here about what this all means, I'm sure there will be more outrage if the FCC allows the MPAA's petition petition for waiver of the Prohibition on the use of selectable output controls(47 C.R.R. $76.1903). This is sort of like the 'broadcast flag' that Sununu successfully blocked. Send your comments to the FCC here: petition for waiver of the Prohibition on the use of selectable output controls(47 C.R.R. $76.1903)
- Texter, Newfields

Hoffman lost in NY-23 because the phony traitor "Republican" was on the ballot and she pulled just enough votes for the Democrat to win. Of course, since this turncoat endorsed the Democrat, she is no doubt happy about that.

We should see a better result a year from now after a real primary. Conservatives are energized up there and will no doubt make sure the next GOP nominee is an actual Republican.
Step 1 will be telling the NRCC to go pound sand.
- Mark, Amherst

Forgive my cynicism, but a "turning tide" ?
I'll believe that as much as I believed Obama would significantly change anything about Washington, regardless of the current "sky is falling" crowd.
Americans on the whole seem incapable of doing more than voting a political pendulum to swing back and forth giving the illusion of choice while our one party system continues to pad their own retirements with donations from their corporate masters.
- Herb C., Concord

The Emperor may still have his new clothes, but he's lost his coattails already. Those Democrats who are actually in touch with reality recognize this and are readily admitting that Tuesday's elections were a complete disaster--and a wake-up call. Only the perennially, out-of-her-mind alien-woman, Pelosi, along with a few other moonbats, lauded the elections (collectively) as a stupendous victory. Meanwhile, Obama's poor, enslaved mouthpiece, Robert Gibbs, does his pathetic best to put on the usual "all is wonderful in the Land of Oz" mask of deceit, denial, and detachment.
- Susie, Horseshoe Bay, TX (NH native)

Ari Fleischer, November 2001, totally contradictiong what the Union Leader claims this morning:

Q Ari, to what extent should these elections tomorrow be viewed through a White House prism? You have pointed us toward the outcome in previous elections. To what extent should these be viewed that way?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think in all cases you have to take a look at off-year elections as local elections primarily. I think there's a pretty universal view on that, whether it was the special elections in the Congress earlier, in which the President played whatever role he may have played. Also the elections tomorrow, typically these type of off-year elections will reflect local events, local politics.

Q So you don't see any -- especially in the state races -- where, at least across the river in Virginia, they have talked, both sides, both candidates, about the terrorism issue and the response to it -- you don't see any referendum on George W. Bush here? Is that what you're telling us?

MR. FLEISCHER: No, I don't think there's anything like that.
- Dan, Manchester

Exit voters said clearly they were dissatisfied with the big spending, big government debt, interest expense on that debt, Republican policies continued during the Obama administration.

The trick for Republicans is to have enough credible spokes people to challenge Democrats. They can't do that with the Bush W. era Republicans who not only doubled our national debt during a great economy, but who voted and supported the stimulus package during the Bush administration because it's the very same policy being carried out by the Obama administration.

Kelly Ayotte not only needs to stand up to criticize the Democrats, she must condemn the Republicans, many of whom who now support her, for their role in the exact same policy.

Kelly Ayotte is the greatest that NH has to offer for the Senate seat. But she can't make credible criticism of Democrats if she doesn't stand up to the whole - THE WHOLE - ridiculous deficit, debt, and interest expense program which began during the Republican rein and supported by the whole NH Republican congressional delegation during those times.

It's time to condemn that whole policy once the economy stabilizes, in a very bipartisan way. These election results did not present that balance to voters because there were no real national races on any ballot. Not really. During a full campaign that shall occur.
- Bob Jean, Northwood, NH 03261

Dear Douglas Marino: Wow, that's some list- but what planet is this taking place on? Surely not Earth, nor in NH. Lets see the proof ..I don't think you'll find it. Keep drinking the kool aid sir.
- Lisa, Lee, NH

LJC, did I miss a civill war in the early 90's? I ask because that's the last time a Democrat held the seat in NY's 23rd district. Maybe you should get your facts from someone other than Nancy Pelosi, who said the same thing yesterday. That women has to be the dumbest person to ever hold elected office in the history of this country, which is not too surprising when you at the district she represents. That seat changed hands because the people were inclined to vote out the incumbent and the republican who held it was a RINO.

Conservatism is hardly dead my friend. Thanks to the marxist who now lives in the White House many people who were apathetic about voting are now paying closer attention to those who will vilify others for being achievers and wanting to provide for themselves as well as having others do the same.
- Ron, Manchester

Mr. Obama, along with Mr. Hodes and Ms. Shea-Porter all came up with a massive stimulus bill that was designed to spend the bulk of the money next year. Approximately 80% of the stimulus that was claimed to be needed immediately, won't be spent until shortly before next year's elections. The democrats have cynically decided that they could let the economy tank this year, and then spend the stimulus prior to the election, so that they could appear to be the economies saviours. It now appears that the economy became much worse than even the democrats had anticipated, and that the stimulus will not bring back the jobs of the companies that have closed. It is clearly breathtaking to behold such craven callousness on the part of our democratic congressmen and congresswomen. Our congresspeople could care little about our current economic crisis, other than it may cost them an election. The evidence is quite clear, and all one has to do is see how much effort they are putting into creating new jobs versus the efforts they are putting into their pet projects to reshape America to their socialistic ideals. (i.e. healthcare, cap and tax, and soon to come amnesty for all illegal aliens in our country). The worse part, is that we have allowed them to get away with this behaviour and have not made them pay a steep enough price, but thankfully, it finally appears that the electorate will extract their revenge next year at the polls. Meanwhile, our politicians should be cowering in fear, as there is no way, any of our state's congressmen and women are going to be re-elected.
- Kevin, Campton

Douglas, are you serious? Where are the 16,000 NH jobs? How can unemployment increase if 16,000 jobs have been created? Please tell us. On the tax cut, what the heck are you talking about? Obama hasn't cut anyone's taxes in NH. Federal taxes will be going up, for everyone. How in tarnation do you think we are going to pay for everything he has proposed? Right now, the 15% of the stimulus he is spending is going to welfare.

Please tell me if anyone on welfare has opened a new business with their new found handouts.

Ah, forget it. You just don't get it! Good grief Charlie Brown, we are surrounded by idiots!
- Melvin, Keene

Me thinks the wrath of the Independents is coming. Be afraid socialists, be very afraid. Then have Mr. Gibbs try and write us all off as far right lunatics in a press conference. That will win people over I'm sure.

Freedom or taxation into poverty. Both can not live in the same house.
- Deb, Derry

Independents don't like the economy so they vote for the people who screwed it up. That makes sense.
- Tom, Manchester

LJC, you should check the electroal history of NY's 23rd District twice before maikng a statement like this.
- Pat Spooner, windahm

NY23 went to the Democratic Socialist candidate because the RNC nominated and spent lots of money on a RINO who turned coat on them as soon as her access to the treasury and shot at personal power was over. The lesson the RNC should take from this is that moderates are unreliable. Hoffman would have cruised to victory with the support and cash of the national party.
- Mike, Dunbarton

I'm a former Democratic supporter who is simply appalled at the way the party is driving the country into the ground. I'm switching sides, doesn't that tell you anything LJC? Maybe Liberalism is on its way out as well?
- Frank, Manchester

robert gibbs saying it was local issue then why did obama feel the need to go to new jersey 5 times if it was local issues. this administration is a bunch of screw-ball,s ..
- kevin dumont, nashua

The young, politically naive kids who were mesmorized by Obama's smoke and mirrors show will not come out and vote next year. Neither will the black vote, which accounted for a big slice of Obama's victory, be there to help the liberal candidates next year. The independents across the country will be a major factor in next year's elections and they certainly aren't jumping in bed with the liberals. If the democrats were ushered in by a tidal wave last year, you can bet they'll be washed out by a tsunami next year!
- Brian, Farmington

President Obama has been doing a great job. Since taking office, he has created 16,000 new jobs in NH alone, he has provided a tax cut to 9,000 NH citizens making less then $250,000 dollars a year. Since he has taken office, 9,300 children in NH alone have been provided with Health Insurance who did not have it before. President Obama has invested in alternative sources of energy that has already put fuel efficient cars on the road and put Americans back to work installing solar panels.
- Douglas Marino, Newfields, NH

nice try LJC - this article reflects the same tone as your liberal rags - The Boston Globe and other left-wing media outlets are reporting the same thing: this is a message to the HOPE in the White House. All the moderates you fell for his scam message are waking up.
- Jim, Manchester

LJC's spot on. Governorship elections are won on local issues. Deeds was a so-so candidate, and Corzine was highly unpopular because of NJ-specific concerns (soaring property taxes).

Hoffman had no similar excuses. The ultra-Right staged a coup and chased out the party-designated moderate conservative, bragged about how it had 'purified' the party and promptly got it's face pushed in the mud based on national issues.

Neither party will win by running to the extremes. There are plenty of voters out there who favor health care reform but are dubious about gay marriage, for instance. They don't buy into the 'my way or the highway' nonsense from Dick Armey and - yes - the UL.

Governing coalitions are not easy to manage, but guess what - they govern. If you keep insisting that candidates subscribe to every last point in your ideological codex, you can keep on conducting your Congressional caucuses in a telephone booth.
- zoot, Manchester

It is questionable whether Obama CAN take note of the above. To do so would require him looking outside himself with the desire to understand the will and concerns of the people.

I doubt if it was intentional but his spokespeople revealed a lot when they said he was not watching the election coverage, but instead a documentary on CNN about himself. "Mirror, mirror on the wall..."
- Chabis, Peterborough

The Supreme Ruler cannot be expected to pay attention to the unwashed masses and their silly votes. Tennis, anyone?
- Leo, Canterbury

The people know what is happening. Conserving money in a bad economy is a good thing. Democrats everywhere are being exposed as the "tax and spenders" they truly are. The common sense people understand it. 2010 is going to be bloody for the Democrats. Enjoy it while you can. It will be over soon.
- William, Dover

Does anyone remember "It's the economy stupid" in "92"? Well, "It's the Economy stupid" "10"! LJC, you wanna bet about the "Conservatism is over" issue? Shea-Porter and Hodes are done. Obama's supporters will probably play the race card in "12" because thats what they can do to win. Pretty pathetic. "Hope for Change" "10" & "12". Americans are tired of working so that the slackers get all the benifits WE work for.
- Michael King, Epping

everyone thought this man with no qualifications was the answer. reality is and will continue to set in.
- jp, hooksett

This country has a center right population. Obama and his Democrat lemmings are Leading us down the socialism road. We do not like or want it.

Anybody disagreeing with that is either a fool, a liar to himself, or a to UL readers.

So let the fools leave their comments here. I need a good laugh.
- Bob, Salem

When the Democrat and the Republican both tell voters to vote for the same guy, a lot of people will; especially when the only alternative is an unseasoned candidate running only on the Conservative Party. Sarah Palin almost got him elected despite Scozzafava's treachery. She almost got McCain elected. LJC, you are explaining nothing, as always; quit name-calling.
- Spike, Brentwood NH

I love the wishful thinking by the ultra right wing remains of what was once the Republican Party. In NY's 23rd district Democrats won for the first time since the Civil War BECAUSE Saran Palin campaigned for the ultraconversative loser. Conservatism is over. Get over it.
- LJC, Manchester